# What's the ideal coffee to water ratio for a French press?

What's the ideal amount of coffee to use per cup of water in a French press?

I've looked at various online resources, which all gave me a different amount. Some call for 2 tablespoons per 6 oz of water, others per 4 oz. Others said to use one or the other, and add water after brewing if it's too strong.

So what's the ideal blend for extracting the best flavor?

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Are those 2 tablespoons of coffee grounded or whole beans? – J.A.I.L. Dec 13 '12 at 16:58
The one that tastes best to you. – Pete Becker Feb 28 '13 at 14:04

I don't know if there's an ideal ratio since this is really about how strong you want the coffee to be. It depends on the strength of the roast you're using, the grind, and how strong you like the coffee.

I generally use 2 tbs / 6 oz, but vary it to taste.

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Watched Alton Brown on Good Eats do an episode about brewing coffee, and he agreed with you. – The How-To Geek Jan 25 '11 at 4:57
"Strength of the roast" doesn't really make sense. Roasts can be darker or lighter, changing the flavor profile, but this has little effect on the actual strength (amount of solubles dissolved into the water). – keithjgrant Mar 28 '14 at 11:09

The difference in both the variation in ratios and the variation in "cup" meaning which other answers here note, is the Atlantic Ocean.

2 tbsp per 6 oz of water is Americano (relatively weak). 2 tbsp per 4 oz of water is European (stronger, because it's the same coffee in a smaller cup). (Some places in the Caribbean seemed to use even higher ratios, perhaps reflecting European influence; but perhaps it was rather than the coffee was fresher.)

The variation in the word "cup" is of the same order: American machines typically provide measurements in 6 oz cups. So, if you have an 8 "cup" machine, that's 8 American "cups" x 6 ounces = 48 ounces, for which you might use 16 tablespoons - but is also 12 European "cups", for which you might use 24!

(Note that there are 16 tablespoons in a measuring cup. So, don't bother with tablespoons at all when making coffee. For 8 "cups" of water, use one measuring cup of ground for Americano, and 1 1/2 for, um... real coffee. ;)

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I use 1/2 cup of whole beans (ground semi-coarse) for my 32 oz press. After adding the water I stir it up with a chopstick- then wait about 4 mins till press and first pour. I do let the balance of the coffee stay in the press and get bolder as the pour continues. Love every single drop-every single time!

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I'm going to press the point is that it's subjective and based also on the size of the ground coffee as well. Water quality will also affect flavor. I had to use the trial and error approach to find what I like and what my family likes.

But the advice to go strong is best because you can dilute it like a cafe americano.

Grind size is important for extraction and ease of plunging (and preferred sediment quantity).

No doubt there's a science to it, but it's really art so don't go all precise and make it a clinical experience or a scientific experiment all the time. Go Zen and not Einstein on coffee and tea.

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This page (http://stumptowncoffee.com/brew-guides/press-pot/) advises "Grind 56 grams (about 8 Tablespoons) for the 8-cup French press." Just did exactly what it said and got myself a pretty good coffee. It is strong but not too strong, probably Starbucks level.

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Is the 8 Tablespoons before or after grinding? The page is not at all clear. – Marti Dec 16 '13 at 22:13

I just do 3 scoops (the scooper it came with) to 4 cups of water. Came out Perfect. Used regular maxwell house coffee. No grounds whatsoever!

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Do you know the measure of the scoop? Are the cups some of this standard? I'd like to make the conversion to metric units, as some people have no intuitive idea of what cups, ounces or tablespoons can measure, and the conversion in both systems will ease the legibility for most people. – J.A.I.L. Dec 13 '12 at 16:54
Coffee scoops are normally 2 tablespoons. The 'cup' measure on coffee machines is 6oz. – JoeFish Dec 13 '12 at 17:23
@JoeFish there really is no standard for what a 'cup' means with respect to coffee makers. For example, the Technivorm uses 4oz for a 'cup'. – Rick G Mar 7 '13 at 22:53

As many have said, the ideal brew ratio is what tastes best to you, and you can't experiment productively to find that ratio without controlling the other variables. Even then, unless you get unhealthily obsessive and start growing your own cloned beans hydroponically (and/or start producing cloned civets) you'll find things can change from batch to batch of beans.

That being said, research has been done into preferences and can provide both a good starting point and an idea of what to expect if you stray too far outside typical ratios. Americans prefer theirs weaker (www.mountaincity.com/brewing-1.html), Europeans prefer somewhere in the middle (graph below), and Norwegians tend to prefer theirs stronger (www.mountaincity.com/brewing-3.html).

Special Coffee Association of Europe brew chart

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The one I use, of course.

Seriously, though I would recommend starting a bit of the strong side, because strong coffee can be thinned with the addition of hot water, but weak coffee is unrecoverable.

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The best way to do it is by weight, if you have a kitchen scale. 10 grams of coffee for every 6 ounce cup of water is a good starting point. You can then adjust up or down by say up to 20% from there depending on your preferences. A nice thing about doing it by weight is that it works if you are grinding your own beans; you don't have to grind a guesstimate amount and then end up with extra.

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So the ratio would be: 1:17, right? – Tomas Feb 9 '11 at 6:40
Yes, if you measure the water in grams (or ml) then indeed, 17:1. – Michael at Herbivoracious Feb 9 '11 at 7:04

I use a 1/8cup (30ml) scoop for a medium coffee cup.
Three scoops to fill the press for 2 full mugs.

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It depends on so much. How strong do you like your coffee? How much is the coffee you're using roasted? How finely is it ground? (Finer grind = more surface area in contact with the water and therefore a stronger brew, but also means more grounds will find their way through the metal mesh of the press.) How long do you let it brew and do your stir it at the beginning? Again half way through?

Take anyone's suggestion here. Choose one at random. Start there. And tweak the variables until you find your favorite. It won't be exactly the same as anyone else's. That's why one takes at-home coffee making seriously in the first place.

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I'm not going to be precise here at all. But for the coffee I use, which is ground a bit finer than french press is supposed to be, but courser than a cone filter grind, I find that three rounded scoops (using the round (semi-spherical) scoop that comes with every coffee maker -- not the conical one) for one French (32 oz) Press serves me quite well for my morning fix.

If I'm entertaining, I'll put in 5 rounded scoops, and water the coffee after it has been poured. I find this produces better fruity-winey notes, but is a bit of a hassle on the daily brew.

tldr: Brew it strong and water it for superiour flavour

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There's a whole, whole lot than can go into it, but a great starting place is a ratio of 17.21:1 water to coffee. That is, if you have 500 g of water, you should use 29 g of ground coffee. What the ratio really does is specify how concentrated the coffee should be. Once you've set your ratio, there are many other variables to play with to make the coffee taste wonderful including grind size and consistency, bloom time, brew time, filter type, pour method, etc.

I wish I could post hyperlinks to all the individual videos of different french press techniques, but you can find them all at the wonderful site http://brewmethods.com Specifically, please check out:

Lastly, and please tell me if this isn't kosher, but I've made an iPhone app that will handle the coffee and water weight conversions automatically, as well as timing the brew and detailing a couple guidelines for different brew methods. It's available on the app store as Brew Control.

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500/29 is 17.24. Bit overprecise, maybe? Can anyone actually taste the fourth significant digit? – Jefromi Jan 18 '11 at 5:07
great answer, I updated your post to include the relevant links, and you have enough rep now from upvotes to include as many links as you like now – Jeff Atwood Jan 18 '11 at 9:24
Thanks so much, Jeff. I've updated the answer to reflect the changes. – Daniel Larsen Jan 18 '11 at 15:57

I am always a bit wary when people give such precise answers about coffee making. At the end of the day they only thing that matters is if you enjoy the taste of it.

If you are really serious about it, the best thing to do is to define you own particular ritual around brewing your coffee. So for some bean, at some particular grind, you dose the same amount, use the same water temperature and volume etc ...

Once you think you can reproduce your drink consistently, vary one variable and see how it goes.

I have an espresso machine at home so my habit with my french press is to dose what looks like 14grams and use about 180ml water.

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