Is it possible to get an open crumb bread without an starter, and by just using active dry yeast? According to my research, to get an open crumb bread one needs a good gluten development, high hydration, strong wheat flour, and a good yeast. However, most of recipes that I have found are using sourdough starter, which I don't want to use. Is possible to get the same open crumb like sourdough bread, by using just active dry yeast? Can you provide some tips on technique?

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    Michael, please remember that recipe requests are explicitly off-topic. (Your post has already received a close vote for that.) But I read this post more as about the techniques, not a recipe? Please edit your post accordingly to clarify. – Stephie Aug 18 '19 at 8:00
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    I attempted to edit so that this will not get closed. Feel free to edit further if you think I left anything important out. – moscafj Aug 18 '19 at 11:03
  • @moscafj thanks – Michael Ben David Aug 18 '19 at 19:02
  • guys i need answerss – Michael Ben David Aug 19 '19 at 5:55
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    Just do the no-knead recipe at serious eats. That produces an open crumb with yeast. – aris Aug 20 '19 at 16:38

In my experience you get a more open crumb with yeast, compared to using sourdough, which tends to give a denser crumb. The secrets are to use fairly high hydration and a long final rise. (High oven temperature and steam will also help.)


I haven't tried it as I don't have access to active dried yeast rather than the instant or bread machine variety, but I can't see why a no-knead dough method would not give you the results you want.

You would have to prove the yeast first by adding it to warm water rather than adding it to the dry ingredients which is the method I use.

Using regular and bread flour I have had great results with a proofing time of up to 18 hours. In the baguettes I have baked the result has been quite light, with holes up to 1 cm in diameter. If you baked your loaf using this method in a Dutch oven instead, you would get a different consistency due to the trapped steam. Either way, the long proofing time will give you quite an airy loaf.

  • so i should do a bread like the sourdough bread process but with dry yeast of course then? – Michael Ben David Oct 27 '19 at 14:15
  • As I have never baked using sourdough, I'm not sure what the difference would be, but this is a great guide to no-knead bread making with instant yeast cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/11376-no-knead-bread – Greybeard Oct 27 '19 at 23:42

I think the secret to improving gluten development in a high-hydration no-knead recipe would be to do a few rounds of folding. I suggest looking at some of recipes from Ken Forkish's book to get some suggested folding techniques and timing or if you have a lot of time and patience read the 30-ish page recipe in the Tartine bread book.

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    Hi @Rick. This is excellent advice. You can improve your answer by describing the folding technique. – moscafj Aug 20 '19 at 19:02

folding I just leave mine in a bowl and with wet hands I grab the dough from one corner and fold to the middle and repeat this all the way around the dough then let sit for a half hour and repeat until 4 times, then shape the dough and put it in a banneton basket covered and refrigerate until the next morning then I bake it off. Remeber to score your loaf before you bake to allow for oven spring.

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