Are there any bread machines that would allow making a sourdough rye bread? If not, could a bread maker simplify the process of making a sourdough loaf?
There are three courses of action for producing sourdough with a bread machine:
- Use the bread machine just for mixing dough, then rise and bake it separately. This will produce the best result, defined as the best texture and strongest sourdough flavor. In this case, you get to monitor the progress of the sourdough as it is rising, which gives you better control over the results. With this course, make sure to start preheating your oven early, because it has to be fully ready when the dough is. It's heartbreaking to watch helplessly as beautiful sourdough loaves collapse while your oven preheats. Also, you can throw a handful of icecubes into the oven a minute or two before the bread, to get steam, which gives maximum oven spring and a softer crust. This helps prevent the common problem of dense sourdough.
- Do a "cheater" sourdough that incorporates both yeast and sourdough starter. This is the most hands-off approach, but it won't yield as strong a sourdough flavor results as option one. Basically, you take a standard bread recipe that uses a poolish preferment, and you replace the poolish with equivalent-hydration sourdough starter, but retain the yeast. So, you're getting leavening primarily from the yeast, but flavor from the sourdough. Up to half the flour can come from the starter. You can gradually reduce the yeast amounts and increase rise time until it's approaching a true sourdough. See recipe below!
- Do true sourdough with a bread machine that allows you to program VERY long rise/proofing times. This is the worst option, because sourdough rise times vary greatly, even with the same starter. The leavening power of starters also varies from almost as fast as instant yeast, to over 12 hours for a full rise. I think you'll have a hard time finding a bread maker that can be programmed for the longest times, and because you're relying on a fixed timer, the dough will inevitably be either under-risen or collapsing. Sourdough can go from under-risen to over-risen and collapsing in as little as 30 minutes.
Cheater Sourdough Recipe derived from Pain Sur Poolish:
- 425g/15 oz sourdough starter, fed the night before with equal volumes all purpose flour and water (or about 6.7 oz flour per 8 oz water)
- 227g/8 oz bread ("Strong") flour
- 227g/8 oz all purpose flour
- 200 g/7 oz warm water
- 1 tsp instant yeast (SAF Red Label)
- 2 tsp salt
- Optional: 1 tsp diastatic malt powder
- Optional: 1/4 cup dry milk powder
- Mix together dry ingredients, then mix in wet ingredients until incorporated.
- Knead about 8-10 minutes on stand mixer speed 2, or until the dough is soft and stretchy. It should be a little wet, but not too much.
- Rise dough for ~45 min-1.5 hours, or until doubled. If using a bread machine, rise an extra 30 minutes or so, and skip to step 9.
- If using oven: start preheating to 500F/260C with a pizza stone in the lower rack
- Divide dough in half, and shape into two loaves, making sure not to handle too much as this will remove gas.
- If using oven: coat an inverted aluminum 1/2 sheet pan with pan spray and corn meal, then transfer loaves to pan. Cover with plastic wrap with the bottom coated in pan spray.
- Proof bread 45 minutes to 1 hour, until it stops rising and a finger leaves a dent in the loaf.
- If using oven: throw a handful of ice cubes into the oven to generate steam, then slash the loaves and load into oven.
- In oven: Bake @ 500F/260C for 5 minutes, then reduce heat to 435F/225C and bake for a further 15 minutes. In bread machine: bake at about 375F/190C for about 30 minutes. If not using diastatic malt, crust may still be somewhat pale.
This recipe (with slight modifications) is now my standard bread, which I bake frequently. I'm still tweaking the exact time to bake at the reduced temperature; if the top is browning excessively but the interior is underdone, it may help to flip the loves over for the last few minutes of cooking.
The Zojirushi Home Bakery Supreme can be programmed for rise times up to 24 hours.
It comes preprogrammed to make sourdough, using the "commercial" (type 2) method. You could do the type 1 (traditional) method using its custom settings, especially since you can modify the program as its running (e.g., keep an eye on it, see that its ready after 10 hours, tell it to go ahead and bake now). An anonymous user says this works well for his/her whole-grain sourdough and that it takes about 11 hours total, including bake.
Details are in the instruction manual, starting at pp. 24 (PDF page 13).
That said, despite owning one, I personally make sourdough with a stand mixer and an oven. You'll also note the Zojirushi is comparable in price to a good stand mixer.
I often make sourdough with just my starter. After feeding my starter and letting it double in size in the usual way I take what I need for the recipe add everything to the pan and put on a dough cycle. After about five minutes I check to see how wet my dough is. I often have to adjust the dough by adding flour or water a table spoon at a time until the consistency is good. I leave it to mix for five more minutes then cancel the program and restart a normal whole wheat cycle with the delay timer set to give me a total bread making time of 12 hours inclusive of the starter times. For example time for starter to double in size is four hours. Bread machine cycle set for 8 hours. I have produced good sourdough loaves and often get this ready at night so I wake to fresh bread. With a few attempts my timings got better and the bread was light chewy and sour. It's easier than people say and fits well with my shift work.
My Zojirushi breadmaker makes great authentic sourdough bread.
I want to emphasize the authentic reference, real sourdough bread uses a spectrum of wild yeast and bacteria while commercial yeast creates a very very different flavor and texture. I keep a tub of starter that is twice the amount that is necessary for a batch of bread, about 2 cups. My tub is twice that size so when it doubles during proofing, it doesn’t overflow.
Additionally, when I need to feed it I pour half down the drain and add another cup of flour and water to it. It keeps everything very simple.
My cycle time is just over nine hours because I have a very fast San Francisco starter. It took me a while to get the timing correct but it’s not hit and miss anymore.
One of the first lessons I learned was that the starter really needed to be very active in order to get consistent rises. It makes amazing flavored bread - I bring in a loaf for my employees at work and it disappears by mid morning!
- 1 tablespoon oil
- 3/4 of a cup of water
- 1 teaspoon salt
- 1 tablespoon of sugar
- 1 cup of starter
- 3 cups of flour
Programming on my BB-PAC20 for SAN FRANCISCO sourdough (fast rising): Rest: 05 Knead: 28 Shape: off Rise1: 4:00 Rise2: 2:00 Rise3: 1:35 Bake: 1:02
I have the basic recipe memorized, and often customize by feel to make a variety of flavored breads. I can’t say enough good things about the Zojirushi bread maker; it’s worth the money to have the freedom in programming, especially for someone like me who is very busy, and can’t babysit the cycle timing. The long rectangular pan with two paddles allows for 2 pound loaves shaped as you would expect from a bakery.
My bread maker makes sourdough bread just fine. I made some tonight.