How do you dial in the right amount of thickness vs soft melt in your mouth style?

These are what I believe affect it:

  • Ratio of eggs to milk
  • egg yolk to egg white ratio
  • condensed, evaporated, regular milk or cream
  • cooking time
    • how long to let it sit out after the oven before putting it in the refrigerator
  • cooking temperature
  • dish/flan size
  • dish thickness/material
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    You forgot amount of thickening agent, such as flour or cornstarch. Commented Nov 26, 2011 at 15:36

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Soft melt increases with fat and emulsifiers. Emulsifiers make the mouth feeling smooth and silky, but not as rich as fat. Firmness increases with proteins. Thickness increases with dry matter (a bit), proteins and additional binding agents.

I don't know which feeling you want to achieve, but here is a list of your relevant factors and what they do. The info (plus the info above) should be enough to tweak an existing recipe in the direction you want.

  • ratio of eggs to milk: more eggs mean more dry matter, more fat, more emulsifiers.
  • egg yolk to egg white ratio: egg yolks have fat, emulsifiers and protein. Egg whites have protein only.
  • condensed, evaporated, regular milk or cream. Let's take regular milk as base. In comparison, evaporated milk has proportionally more dry matter and fat. Condensed milk has even more dry matter because of the sugar. Cream increases the fat content a lot, and because fat is dry matter, it also increases dry matter - but the ratio of fat to overall dry matter is much higher than in milk (regular, evaporated or condensed). Don't count on the proteins of milk much, they are a relatively low amount and have been overcooked anyway (unless you use raw milk or cream).
  • Binding agent. Flour and starch add thickness only (flour has some protein too, but not much). Tapioca, arrowroot, etc. are starches. Gelatine is a protein, adds both thickness and firmness. Gums add thickness and emulsify. If you use something more exotic, ask in a comment.

The rest of your list doesn't really matter. Or, more accurately, it does, but there is one correct combination and you shouldn't tweak it in attempts to change the mouth feel.

It is actually wrong to measure cooking time. What you want to measure is the temperature your custard reached. Yolk emulsifiers start to work at about 50°C. Starch needs 70°C. The first types egg proteins start binding in the high-70s. Somewhere in the high 80s, other types of egg proteins bind too. You don't want this last binding to happen - if it does, your custard gets too firm and exudes some liquid after cooling. If you take it even higher, it gets not only firm, but grainy. If you let it simmer or boil, you also get biggish liquid-filled bubbles in a baked custard, and a sandy texture in a stovetop-stirred one.

So, the correct temperature is in the low to mid-80s. I usually aim for 85°C. The correct time is whatever it takes to reach that temperature, and depends on the rest of things you listed - but the relationship is so complex that the custards you'll ruin to determine the right combination for your oven/stove and dishes by trial and error will cost more than a candy thermometer (mine cost under 15 Euros). And if you go with the trial-and-error method, you won't be able to achieve a predictably good custard outside of your own kitchen.

  • Isn't the internal temperature the determining factor for the rate of setting, not actually the setting itself? Empirically it seems I always have to hold the custard at 85 for a certain amount of time before achieving the correct thickness...
    – Max
    Commented Oct 24, 2014 at 22:06

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