I have the book by Jessie Hawkins, The Vintage Remedies Guide to Bread, in which she describes the benefits of the ancient method of sourdough bread making.

The bread described in the book needs to rise from 12 to 36 hours, which makes it has a low glycemic index, low gluten, and being much more nutritious, etc. I have tried several loaves, and they come out good tasting, but way too dense and the crust is very hard. I suspect it has something to do with the starter, but I'm not sure.

I try to make sure the starter is active before I mix the dough. Some loaves rise quickly and are ready to bake after 12 hours, but more often they take 36 hours. The top crusts sometimes separates from the loaf.

I use:

  • Filtered water
  • No sweetener
  • 1 tbsp of olive oil (13.5 gr)
  • 1 tsp salt (6 gr)
  • four cups of (bread) flour (500 gr)
  • ⅔ cup of starter.

Any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong?

  • what amount of time and at what temperature are you baking the bread? what type of loaf pan (if any) are you using?
    – Brendan
    Dec 10, 2012 at 18:33
  • You may want to post a picture—sourdough is denser than most breads. And very much denser than the sandwich bread you buy in the store. And the crust is supposed to be hard (put the cooled loaf it in a plastic bag for an hour or few if you want to soften it).
    – derobert
    Dec 10, 2012 at 18:37
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    Yes, some more information would be helpful. When was the starter last fed? Was it good and active before using--doubled in size since the last feeding? What shape: sandwich loaf in a pan, baguette on a stone? How was the dough mixed and kneaded? How long was it kneaded for? How long was the first bulk rise? How long after shaping? What temperature?
    – JoeFish
    Dec 10, 2012 at 20:43
  • I wonder how a bread can have low gluten just for being a sourdough.
    – J.A.I.L.
    Dec 11, 2012 at 9:20
  • @Martha: Have you made bread with yeast instead of a starter before? Have you tried to make bread with yeast following the same procedure (except the time which would be less).
    – J.A.I.L.
    Dec 11, 2012 at 9:27

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Without seeing the loaves or knowing your exact procedures, it's hard to guess. My money would be on too dry a dough. Could also be inactive starter, too long a bake, not a hot enough bake, not enough rise time/temperature. So I'll just talk about how I make sourdough in the hopes it'll help. These are techniques I've learned from various books (most notably Reinhart's The Bread Baker's Apprentice) and experiences.

If I did it right, you can click any of the thumbnails for full size images.

First order of business, of course, is having a nice, active starter. I build my final starter from the barm the day before. Depending on my schedule, I either leave it at room temp all night or feed it earlier in the day and pop it in the fridge. It then comes out to warm up a few hours before I bake. It should show strong signs of life. This starter was made with nothing but flour and water--no grapes, no commercial yeast, no juice.

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Then comes mixing and kneading. I like to mix the starter with the water first, allowing the starter to break up and dissolve a bit. This ensures good mixing with the final dough. Then I add the flour and salt, mix to a coarse ball...

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...and switch to the dough hook for 5 minutes or so. The dough should be stickier than you think it should be. Turn it out onto a floured surface for 4-5 minutes of final kneading by hand to adjust the flour. It should be smooth and supple, still be a bit tacky, and pass the windowpane test. When you stretch it to form a boule, the outside should be smooth and not tear.

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Let it rise 3-4 hours at room temp or slightly warmer (a closed oven with a bowl of hot water works well). Then shape and proof for another 3-4 hours.

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I start with a very hot oven. 500-550F for artisan loaves. If using a stone, get it in there 45-60 minutes before baking, that way the stone and oven get a good heat soak. Then when the loaves go in, you want to create steam to allow the bread to rise before the crust hardens. A steam pan is a good idea, and I also spray down the walls of the oven with a squirt bottle. Be careful of squirting the light bulb--it will shatter. Don't ask me how I know. After a few squirts, turn the heat down to your final baking temp. I usually go with 450F.

Don't forget to slash them, too. That helps them expand and prevents blowouts. I had some issues getting these guys onto the stone (not my finest hour), but they were still outstanding. You can see the crumb is open and light, but still gelatinized and chewy. Perfect, in my book.

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It could be that your dough is too tight, meaning it is too dry. For awhile I made the mistake of adding too much flour and it resulted in bread that was too dense. Try adding another 50ml or more of water and see if it improves your results. Don't worry if it gets a bit gooey, that's ok, just knead with oil instead of flour.

It is another possibility that your dough is over-worked, do you machine knead or hand-knead, and how long?

EDIT: There is a relationship between the amount of gluten in flour to the amount of water that is needed to make a dough with the right consistency. The more gluten, the more water is needed. Whole wheat flour has less gluten than white flour, and you can get bread (aka strong in some places) flour that has extra gluten added. The wheat flour would need significantly less water than the strong bread flour. The amount of gluten in flours differs from region to region, brand to brand, and therefore the amount of water in a recipe is approximate, and you must vary the quantity in order to get the right consistency.

The way to go about this is to hold some of the flour in reserve and knead it into the dough. You want to add as much flour and you need to achieve the consistency you are looking for, and no more. Once you have the consistency you want don't add any more flour, even if it is sticky, as that will make your bread too dry. IF you don't like working a sticky dough use oil and not flour to prevent sticking. Personally I like to work a sticky dough without oil, I let it adhere to the counter and pull it with my fingers, but YMMV.

Don't be afraid to add water to the dough if you've added too much flour, it may be a bit messy but it is better than dry bread. It's best to do that by hand as a dough hook will just start sliding around.

  • You have advised an OP who posted in traditional US units to add 50 ml of water.... I don't know about the OP but I have no intuition how much 50 ml is. (Quick check of super secret google conversion searching...) 50 ml = appx 3.3 tbl, or a bit less than a quarter cup.
    – SAJ14SAJ
    Dec 10, 2012 at 20:45
  • I grew up with the good old US measurements but I've long since moved metric for baking, it's a habit. 1/4 cup is good enough, thanks for pointing that out. It's amazing how little water it takes to make dry dough the right moisture. It may take 1/4 cup, or it may take a cup more depending on the gluten content of the flour.
    – GdD
    Dec 10, 2012 at 20:47
  • Yeah, for the last month or two, I have been doing very easy simple, easy home baked bread and pizza dough, and a few tbl can make all the difference it seems. My KitchenAid and I are developing a whole new level of friendship.
    – SAJ14SAJ
    Dec 10, 2012 at 20:50
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    Side note for newer bakers: it's always easier to add flour to a slack dough than add water to a dry dough. I always reserve some flour and make the dough wetter than I think it should be, then adjust during final kneading.
    – JoeFish
    Dec 10, 2012 at 21:03
  • Andrew Whitley's excellent book "Bread Matters" says the mantra is "wetter is better".
    – slim
    Dec 11, 2012 at 11:33

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