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I have no trouble preparing the seitan dough, or at least, that is what troubles me the least and can be fixed easily. However, I can't get the texture right. I don't use yeast, just vital wheat gluten and flavor adders.

First I tried with the simmering method. I put a broth to a boil and dropped in small loafs of seitan. As they cooked, they grew bigger and bigger, as they absorbed water. The loafs grew a ridiculous amount, and I was consequently left with loafs made of water and seitan, in that order.

I thought maybe water was the problem, so I tried instead of simmering it, baking it; like some online recipes indicate. I made a seitan tube and wrapped it (rather mediocrely) in aluminium foil and put in the oven. I had preheated the oven to 190 °C. The recipe I used instructed to bake the seitan for 90 minutes, and so I tried. However, about 60 minutes into the cooking, my loaf exploded in the oven (the wrap wasn't strong enough, I recon, although it was a few layers thick). To my surprise, the seitan already had a thick hard crust, and it was quite inedible to my taste.

What recommendations do you have for me? Is there something I have done wrong in each of my attempts? (Is blaming the great growth of my seitan on water wrong, on the first method I tried?) And finally, I am left to wonder: is it really necessary to precook seitan? (Why?)

Thanks a lot chefs! I know practice makes perfect but I'd rather quit wasting ingredients until my ways are right.

  • Yesterday I read some more recipes and I think today I'm going to try drastically reducing the baking time. I'm going to try out 25 minutes, I hope it works! – Severo Raz Feb 7 '14 at 17:42
  • Seitan does tend to expand a lot if you cook it in a way that prevents the water from escaping (simmering or baking wrapped). I've had good luck baking, but the texture is a lot different than simmering. You might try simmering, draining, and then either braising or pan-searing it to cook off some of the extra water. – SourDoh Feb 7 '14 at 19:30
  • Well it's weird that I found out about baking wrapped because when I tried without wrapping it grew a lot more :-/. Could it be perhaps that there is something wrong with my vital wheat gluten? – Severo Raz Feb 11 '14 at 3:22
  • It usually expands a lot when I wrap it, but to the point of the wrap being very taught. It's never exploded through the wrap. Maybe leave a little more slack? – SourDoh Feb 12 '14 at 4:28
  • Is it possible that you're not kneading it enough? I've never tried making seitan, but I use gluten to make a chinese dish called kau fu, and ironically I want that to expand as much as possible and you need to knead it quite a bit to develop the gluten to "hold" together – Daniel Chui Feb 20 '14 at 17:35
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Seitan texture troubleshooting

Spongy when simmered

The classic Seitan problem- make a dough and boil it, anyone can do that right? Not with Seitan- either you get it just right or it's inedible. Here's two tricks.

  1. use a container

    The surefire way to avoid watery Seitan is to constrain it in some way- commonly used methods are aluminum foil, a freezable/cookable plastic bag, or a cheesecloth.

    The cheesecloth is the most wholesome, but is finicky to clean. The foil is cheap and can be tossed, but you're sure to be extracting some aluminum and drawing it into your Seitan, especially if there is lime or vinegar in your broth. The cookable plastic bag is great because you can use a small amount of broth in the sealed baggie, so you won't have any broth waste- but you are also sure to have small amounts of plastic in your Seitan (no worse than store-bought).

    I'm currently trying to find a good easy-to-clean cookable sealing reusable container to replace the baggie- stainless steel or tough glass. Maybe a jam jar- or event a small pan.

  2. really, really, really, soft simmer

    I was able to improve my Seitan with this, but it didn't get perfect- I'll update if it will. The idea is to boil your water, and then turn the heat down and wait until it just barely simmers. There should be no surface disturbance at all, and just the tiniest of bubbles. The bubbles you see in your water are going to poke holes their own size into your Seitan, so really turn the heat down. You also have to keep it almost at the boiling point though, or your Seitan won't cook properly. I'll see if I can post detailed surefire instructions once I've got the hang of it, these are the best known to me so far. I know others have done it.

  3. Chill before cooking

    This is as of yet untested, but I will update once I've tried this. Some recipes call for placing the Seitan in an ice bath for ten minutes before cooking. I have no idea what this does, I would guess something chemical about the gluten "development". The ice bath seemed like a lot of effort, so I just put my dough in the freezer. Results upcoming.

  4. Roll while kneading

    Kneading has the most impact on the Seitan texture. One technique to get a more fibry and interesting texture is to stretch out the seitan on one side, and roll it up. After rolling it will easily form right back into a ball, so you can use your kneading time to also texturize your seitan. When you're done, take the little part you didn't knead much and wrap it around your rolled ball. This aligns your gluten fibers in one direction. Will post back with results.

  5. Age it

    Seitan is always better the next day- this one is so true, even spongy seitan can become somewhat edible if you press the water out and let it sit there for 24 hours and then fry it. So once you've got some technique that's reliable, make your Seitan weekly and keep it chilled. Then eat cold, stew, or, especially, fry.

  6. Compress before cooking

    For unwrapped Seitan, add a step of compressing the dough after needing it- take some time to just press down on it with your hands and massage it into the shape you want, without turning it or changing the shape a lot as you would with kneading.

Dry when baked

Baking Seitan sounds too good to be true, right? No broth, no bubbles. Well, no moistness either- an overcooked Seitan O' Greatness tastes like rubber tires sprinkled with oregano. Yum.

The problem with not boiling boils down to not enough fluids. Kneading the dough needs about 1 cup of water for 2 cups of vital wheat gluten so you can handle it, but after that, the dough gets plenty more moistness from simmering or steaming. When baking, this doesn't happen- so you get a much dryer Seitan.

  1. Soak, then bake

    The most straight forward solution is to add an extra step of soaking your finished dough after you've let it sit there- try 10 minutes. This could be combined with the ice bath method above- just add a couple of ice cubes.

  2. Reduce temperature

    A lot of recipes call for 60 to 90 minutes at 350°F (180°C), and I never got that to work. 250°F (130°C) is much better. The cooking time of 90 minutes seems to be about right, though.

  3. Water bath

    Half-cover your seitan with broth in a baking dish and flip it over after half the baking time. This is just like slow-cooking a meat dish instead of boiling it.

  4. Reduce time

    I was only able to get good-ish results with this- okay, but too doughy. Use the 350°F (180°C), but only leave it in for 30 minutes- less if using smaller parts. I still found there was a propensity for this to taste like bread that also tastes like sausage and rubber bands. Some report success.

Bursts when baked

  1. Wrap it loose and thick

    As with simmering, wrapping the Seitan is much less tricky. It will expand some, so it needs to be wrapped somewhat loosely. The tighter it is wrapped, the denser it will be- and the thicker and stronger the wrapping needs to be. 2-3 layers of foil worked for me wrapping the Seitan with just a little bit of wiggle room.

Flaky when baked

  1. Age it

    Baked seitan is a little bit less finicky but still tests better the next day. Seitan always tastes better the next day. This is proverb-grade wisdom, like "a Lannister always pays his debts".

Lunchmeat Texture

Lunchmeat texture is great if you want lunchmeat or meat loaf, and it doesn't matter if you are just going to grind it down. But if you want to make a version of unprocessed meat, as good as Seitan is, it doesn't make for a very interesting texture.

You can, however, fake the fibery texture by folding the Seitan into layers like puff pastry- but then you turn it and do the same thing. This results in an interesting, semi-meaty texture, and also does a lot of compressing for you, so it gets less spongy as well.

  • Make a moist dough, a little more than 1 cup water for 2 cups gluten
  • Mix until all the gluten is moist, but don't knead
  • squash it flat on the counter, and stretch until it is about a quarter inch (0.5cm) high
  • sprinkle a tiny layer of gluten to unstick it
  • fold it, or cut it and stack it
  • squash-and-stack about 10 times. You will now have about 1000 layers of gluten fiber and it shouldn't take longer than kneading.
  • gently massage-unsquash it back into a roundish cube, but don't knead
  • turn it around by a quarter
  • squash-and-stack about 10 times. You will now have 1000 fibers up and across, because you made layers across the layers
  • gently massage-unsquash it back into a roundish cube, but don't knead
  • place the cube into the freezer for 10 minutes

Recommended Procedures

Here are some procedures based on the above troubleshooting to get the results you want.

1. Cold Cuts

To get a good deli style cold cut, do the following:

  • Make a dryish dough, slightly less than 1 cup of water per 2 cups of gluten
  • Knead like bread for 3-5 minutes
  • rest covered for 10 minutes
  • knead like bread for another minute
  • form into a log shape and wrap snug in a cheesecloth (don't leave much room, but don't compress it either)
  • boil for 60-90 minutes
  • store for a day in its broth

You will know it worked when the outermost layer is softish, and the inside is a little less firm than a rubber eraser.

2. Steak

  • Make a fold-and-squash cube, as above
  • cut the cube into 4 pieces. cut so that you are cutting apart the fibers, and each steak has a short part of all the fibers.
  • flatten each steak to a quarter of an inch (0.5cm). keep pressing and condensing longer than needed to keep it in shape, until it feels like it got distinctly firmer than before
  • no-bubble-simmer each steak for 90 minutes
  • store the steaks in their broth for a day
  • press out the broth and fry

3. Chicken Wings

Do the same thing as with steak, but also cut each steak into 4 as well, somewhat unevenly.

4. Sausage

Do the same as with the cold cuts, but wrap into 5 or 6 small logs using the same cheesecloth.

5. Ground beef

Make a cold cut log as above, and grind it in a food processor in a couple of pulses, until the biggest pieces are about a quarter of an inch (0.5cm)

6. Stew cubes

Make a fibered dough as above, but cook it in a cheesecloth as above to get extra-firm, fibered texture. Then cut, fry, and stew, but much shorter than normal stew, perhaps 45min to 1 hour. Add some xanthan gum to the stew to mimic the gelatin that usually forms when slow-cooking stew meat's connective tissue.

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    So glad to see someone else is doing research in that area :) :) :) – rackandboneman May 31 '17 at 18:06
  • For an alternative to cookable plastic bags, perhaps some of the recently available silicone reusable bags would work? The ones I've looked at are supposed to be safe for boiling, baking, freezing, etc, and they sound like they're a possible alternative for reusable soft cooking containers like you mention. – Megha Apr 21 '18 at 20:50
  • @Megha sounds great! – cmc Apr 23 '18 at 10:48
  • Wow, this answer is so complete, it deserves an A if only for effort. Marked as answer. – Severo Raz Apr 27 '18 at 2:43
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I think the mistake you are making is not letting the dough sit. Your recipe does not include a rest period for the dough, which is important. You want the seitan to absorb most of the water in the mixing stage, not in the cooking stage. Letting the dough sit before cooking is important for that to happen.

Precooking seitan is important because you want it to be fully formed in the first stage so you can use it as a regular ingredient in the second.

Here's my can't miss seitan recipe. They key is to use just enough water to make the dough. It has never failed me:

1 cup vital gluten flour

  1. Put vital gluten in a large bowl (if you are mixing my hand)
  2. Add 3/4 cup of water and mix well, until all the water is absorbed.
  3. Knead by hand for a minute or two
  4. Add water, very sparingly, if there is some loose flour left. The dough should be a rubbery mass.
  5. Knead by hand for about 5 minutes.
  6. Cover the dough for 20-30 minutes while you prepare whatever simmering broth you want to use. You'll need about 6 cups of broth. Do not let it sit for more than 30 minutes
  7. Make the dough into two equally-sized logs. Set them in the broth and bring to a boil. It is OK if the logs are not fully submerged.
  8. Lower the heat so the broth bubbles gently and cover. Cook for about an hour, turning the logs once or twice.
  9. After an hour, taste a slice of one log. If you want to less dense, cook for 15-30 more mintes.
  10. Turn off the heat, let the seitan cool in the broth (which can be frozen for future use).

I would avoid mixing any flavors or spices into the dough. Let your broth add the flavors. I usually make my broth from 6 cups of veggie broth and 1/3 cup soy sauce, plus whatever spices I feel like adding.

You can then bake, broil, sear, or whatever else you want with the seitan.

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Use 3 times as much seasoning and reduce the time ( if boiling in water - still nice results can be done ) to 1/3 :) or find whatever timing /ration fits you best

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my best results so far were due to adding sparkling water and cooked chickpeas, with this recipe: https://www.elephantasticvegan.com/seitan-made-w-vital-wheat-gluten/

  • Could you compare your experiences and solution to the OP? The answer you have does not go into enough detail to really be an answer. – elbrant Mar 11 at 0:32

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