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My noddles

I just moved to China and I would like to cook some lo mein ( chinese noodles ), this is the easiest way to get some veg. food here :)

The lo mein I bought are not the fresh ones but the dry ones.

I'm Italian so at the first I have tried to cook them in the same way I usually cook spaghetti: boil them and then remove the water and then put them in the wook with the other, already stir-fried ingredients (oil, garlic, tomatoes etc ... ).

This does not look to be the proper way since the result is overcooked and the lo mein is sticky, so I guess I'm doing some big mistake.

Any hints? (I'm attaching the image since I'm not 100% sure what kind of noodles I bought, probably they are made of rice since they are very white)

Update
I kept photo of other available noddles, maybe you can suggest me something better that my first choose.

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UPDATE 2: After spending 4 years in China I came to the conclusion all supermarket noodles are simply not very good quality or at least not good for my purpose ( I am used to italian dry pasta and the chinese equivalent are too different ). The best noodles you can get are the fresh one in the local market, their quality is very much the same as the fresh pasta you can buy in italy as we copied it from Chinese long time ago :) )

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    Are there any labels on the package? This doesn't look like lo mein noodles at all but like Pho noodles and like this (Banh Pho dried) – Ching Chong Sep 9 '14 at 8:11
  • they are different from Pho noodles: they are not transparent ... I have removed the label, I will keep a picture of it a the shop – WonderLand Sep 9 '14 at 8:33
  • when I put them in the water the water become white, maybe this can help – WonderLand Sep 9 '14 at 8:34
  • Hm, looks like wheat noodles. Are the noodles just sticky or too soft and slobbery? – Ching Chong Sep 9 '14 at 8:56
  • Huh, I don't know what to recommend :( Did you know that chinese noodles are requiring less than 5 minutes to become al dente? In the past I stir-fried wheat noodles, cellophane noodles (3rd to 5th picture) and rice noodles without any issues :-\ – Ching Chong Sep 9 '14 at 10:07
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OK I can read Chinese and let me tell you the answer: the noodles you bought are made by eggs. They're not made by rice. (FYI, there are TWO kinds noodles called "Rice Noodles", they are actually made by rice. The two kinds varies in thickness).

You can first make soup noodles to grasp the texture of the noodles you bought. Try undercook and overcook a bit, see if you can find the sweet spot you want.

Now, to go with other ingredients, here's how Chinese "fried noodles" are made:

  1. Prepare a pot of boiled water (must be boiling at 100C, not just hot)
  2. Add a bit of salt into the water. This helps taste and prevents the noodles absorbing too much water.
  3. Add a bit of oil into the water. This prevents the noodles from sticking together later in the process
  4. Put the noodles in and cook them for 30s to 1 min. Never (very important!) cook them for more than a min.
  5. Take out the noodles. They should be undercooked now, which is good. Use a scissor to cut the noodles, otherwise you'll have very long noodles later in the process. There is no need to rinse them using cold water if you use this method.
  6. You can turn off the heat to the water pot now. But don't throw it away.
  7. Add oil to a hot pan, cook the spices (e.g. onion, green onion, whatever you use)
  8. Cook the meat ingredients in the pan.
  9. Add a slight amount water from the pot (which has salt and oil in it) to the pan. Also add sugar, soy-sauce, etc. for final adjustment of taste.
  10. Now put the noodles into the pan. If done correctly, all the water (should look like soup by now) should be absorbed into the noodles right away.
  11. Cook the noodles a bit.
  12. When the noodles are around 80~90% done, add the vegetables.
  13. When the vegetables are done the noodles should be done as well. Finish!

As for Lo Mein, it's not a kind of noodles, rather a style of cooking noodles. When making "Lo Mein", the noodles are only cooked by hot soup. A "Lo Mein" dish is where the noodles are cooked by a minimal amount of water. It's like serving soup noodles but without the soup. The procedures are largely same as above, except the noodles are put into the pan at a later stage and only briefly fried, or not fried at all. I personally consider "Lo Mein" a more difficult dish than "fried noodles" (aka "Chow Mein").

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    The pictures at the end, they're not noodles. They're made from "bean starch" ("粉絲" in Chinese, I'm not aware of a direct translation into English). They usually go with a vegetable or seafood dish. For a simple recipe: Add oil to hot pan, cook ginger, green onion with shrimp shells. After 30s add around 100ml of water to get shrimp soup. Pour out the soup and throw away whatever remains. Use this soup to cook the 粉絲, along with other seafood as you wish. For taste, use mainly oyster sauce, with a bit of soy sauce and pepper. – kevin Sep 10 '14 at 5:39
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    Regarding the "Italian way": I'm always annoyed when the spaghetti take ages to cook haha – kevin Sep 10 '14 at 5:53
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    Just tested your advice, I would underline only 30 sec and the water should be very crazy boiling ... finish to cook everything while mixing with the other ingredients ( adding some water ). I personally advice to prepare the other ingredients and the pan with oil in advance. – WonderLand Sep 23 '14 at 7:16
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    Oh yes (-: I should've mentioned that. Usually I heat the pot first; by the time it boils I should've nearly finished preparing ingredients. – kevin Sep 23 '14 at 11:39
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    @kelvin 粉丝 is usually translated as vermicelli. Where I come from they're usually cooked or mixed into booth or soup, since they're cheap and absorbs a lot of water when cooked. – Yi Jiang Dec 20 '14 at 3:51
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Boil the noodles until almost done, then rinse them thoroughly in cold water to wash off the surface starch. Toss with a little oil (sesame is nice) to prevent sticking, and leave in the colander to dry out further. Then stir fry when ready.

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As far as my experience goes, at least Chinese and Vietnamese noodles are often (if not always) very sticky and you have use a lot of oil to prevent sticking. If the texture seems to be ok but the noodles stick together, the noodles are not overcooked.

EDIT: If you are unsure whether these are wheat or rice noodles: put some into luke warm or cold water and look after an hour or so if the noodles turned whiter. The water should stay clear. If so, then you have rice noodles. If you have rice noodles: Put you noodles into lukewarm or cold water until they are flexible, but not soft. Then stir-fry the noodles until done. And please use some some oil to prevent sticking!

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The term "lo mein" comes from the Cantonese lou mihn (撈麵), meaning "stirred/tossed noodles." In Mandarin, it's typically referred to as "拌麵 (mixed noodles)."

You can use the same type of noodles for lo mein and chow mien. Wheat noodles with egg is the typical type of noodles used in these dishes. Fresh egg noodles (preferably ~1/4" thick) are ideal for lo mein, while fresh or dried noodles can be used to make chow mein. With either, the noodles need to be softened via boiling before cooking. For dried noodles, it's recommended to parboiled in (boiling) water for ~5-6 mins before cooking, fresh egg noodles or the other hand only need ~2-3 mins. The necessary amount of cooking time will vary depending on the thickness of the noodles, so refer to the packaging for instructions.

You can refer to this guide as a reference to the different types of wheat noodles and their suitability in cooking.

The ultimate goal here is to boil them until they are just cooked, but not too soft (treat the noodles like pasta and cook them "al dente").

Cooking chow mein noodles involves to fry them into pancake of sorts, and then pouring stir-fried meat and vegetables over the fried noodles. This is similar to how Japanese yaki-soba is made, which is considered to be a derivation of chow mein, but with it's own unique distinction.

However with lo mein, the parboiled noodles are typically added near the end of cooking to be heat through (as opposed to bring fried) and tossed with a sauce and also tossed other ingredients (or have the ingredient poured over after the noodles have been tossed).

Contrary to what people say, when cooking chow mein, the noodles are fried separately albeit not to a crisp, but simply to coat it with oil and give it better texture. The frying stage is skipped when making lo mein. The crispiness of the noodles is not the distinctness that sets the two types of dishes apart.

What sauces you use and what ingredients you use it ultimately up to your tastes. Typically dark or light soy sauce, oyster sauce, chili sauce is used. Using sesame oil can help enhance the flavor of the dish with it's fragrant scent.

The second picture you posted (first after the edit) is "la mian." These types of noodles are more suitable for soup dishes, Japanese ramen is derived from these types of noodles for Japanese tastes as chuuka-soba.

The types of noodles noted in the last few images are called "fen si" (粉丝, the thin ones) and "fen tiao" (粉条, the flat ones). The former and latter is what is know as "cellophane/glass noodles/vermicelli." Both are typically made from mung beans or sweet potato starch. Both are usually stir-fried or served in soups and typically found in supermarkets in a dried form. The latter is usually thicker than the former.

While a distinction should be made between 粉丝 (fen si) and 米粉 (mi fen) is that mi fen is vermicelli made from ground rice, it's most likely that people will assume you mean the type with the bean/potato starch over the latter made from rice starch when you say "fen si".

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I know this post is old but I just wanted to advise you that any type of Chinese noodles that are yellow in color, are always made with eggs. All white or clear noodles, are always made from rice. Contact me if you haven't been able to perfect the way you cook each kind

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    This does not answer the question; it should've been a comment. – Jan Doggen Aug 27 '17 at 18:54
  • Don't worry about old post, it think is alright to improve old post ( stackexchange is not a forum ) ... but I agree your answer is not a complete answer so should be a comment to the main question, this helps the readers to get the information they look for ... ) – WonderLand Aug 28 '17 at 10:44
  • Anyway thanks for the info. ... anyway from my experience, not all chinese noodle have eggs inside. for sure the fresh ones: in the local market near my house in Sichuan, they sell 10 and more different kind of fresh noodles some with eggs some without. – WonderLand Aug 28 '17 at 10:45

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