I am following this Serious Eats pie crust recipe. It's the second time already where I struggle with the dough folding stage. The dough is too crumbly when I take it out of the processor. When I (gradually) add water it stops being crumbly but then it gets too cracky. You can't really move it around or roll it.

Adding flour or water does not improve the situation.

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    What flour are you using? Commented Nov 21, 2016 at 16:26
  • Not in the US. It translates to "White Wheat Flour". @ElendilTheTall
    – Bar Akiva
    Commented Nov 21, 2016 at 16:44
  • Serious Eats is very much American. The recipe calls for all-purpose flour, which is ubiquitous on our shelves. Is your flour labeled for protein content?
    – Jolenealaska
    Commented Nov 21, 2016 at 17:02
  • 10.5 protein per 100grams. Is it good?@Jolenealaska
    – Bar Akiva
    Commented Nov 21, 2016 at 18:51
  • At steps 8 & 9 (after the water is added), it looks pretty crumbly in their pictures, too. Have you done the lots of folding steps?
    – Joe
    Commented Nov 21, 2016 at 20:54

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The serious eats article that accompanies this recipe does a good job of explaining what you are trying to accomplish.

You are trying to have wheat gluten that is interspersed with pockets of fat. The fat pockets are tender, the gluten is flaky. Perfect balance.

They dough that you have doesn't have any gluten development and is basically shortbread. If you press it into a pie crust it will be tender and flavorful but not flaky. It's still delicious so don't throw it out- it just won't be perfect.

There are three ways that you could have too little gluten:

  • Flour with too little protein
    The recipe calls for all purpose flour. It needs to have some gluten but not as much as bread flour.
  • Too much mixing in the second stage
    This recipe calls for some of the flour to be completely blended with the fat and then flour added in a second stage and only just cut in. If this second addition of flour is too thoroughly blended into the fat you get shortbread.
  • Not enough resting time
    The recipe calls for resting the dough for at least a few hours and up to a few days. This is important. Only some of the flour in the dough has access to water to form gluten. The dough needs to be given time to rest to allow the flour to hydrate.

I love this pie crust recipe. It turns the traditional method on its head and it works very well. It has fewer tricky points for failure than the traditional method but it still helps to know what you are doing.
I highly recommend reading the article that accompanies the recipe.

  • Can you tell what my dough is "suffering" from by looking at the picture?
    – Bar Akiva
    Commented Nov 21, 2016 at 18:55
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    @BarAkiva- Yes. It is clear from the picture that you don't have any gluten holding your dough together. My answer covers the reasons that you may have had this problem. I can't know exactly which reason or reasons may be the culprit. That's for you to decide. Commented Nov 21, 2016 at 19:01

In addition to the excellent answers already provided, I would add that the temperature of the dough needs to be taken into account as well. In addition to making sure that your dough is well hydrated and that you are using the right flour, you will also want to ensure that your dough is room temperature or slightly warmer. If all of your ingredients are cold, or if you allow the dough to rest in a cold space, your dough will be cold and difficult to work with. Cracking will be one of the ways that the dough will react.


There are two possibilities I can think of.

The first is there's a problem with mixing - you said you gradually add water, does that mean you start mixing it into the dough as you add it, or that you let it sit between additions? It looks like the recipe adds the water all at once, maybe lets it sit for a bit to hydrate, and then folds it all in together. If you're mixing in between each addition, your dough might not be wet enough, with parts that are getting overworked (which makes it stiff) and parts not getting hydrated as well (making it crumbly).

The other possibility is, you mentioned that the flour you're using is called white wheat flour. There is a kind of flour called "white whole wheat flour", which is functionally between the highly processed all purpose and regular whole wheat - if this is the case with your flour, you may not be adding enough water... whole wheat usually takes a little more water than all purpose flour, and I think it does better if given longer to hydrate. In any case, even if your flour is different from white whole wheat, just being a different brand might be causing some of the problem, since all purpose is processed specifically to make it very predictable in recipes.

In either case, I would suggest sprinkling all the water the recipe calls for, plus a few teaspoons extra, and letting it sit a bit longer before you start to fold the dough. The extra water should make it a bit more pliable, and the dough being easier to fold should mean the fat has a better chance to stay in pockets with a looser dough flowing around it, so it doesn't get smooshed around into the flour as much because a stiffer dough means you need more force when mixing - which would make it crumbly instead of flaky.

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