I'm trying to troubleshoot my pizza dough. I've made it twice and both times it was too sticky to knead.

The first time I figured that I killed the yeast (the package said don't go above 140°F and I took the water off the stove when the thermometer read 140°F), so the second time I used water that was 128°F, reading the thermometer right before adding the yeast and sugar. The yeast bubbled a bit but I'm not sure if it was as frothy as it's supposed to be.

The recipe I'm using is to mix 1 package of yeast with 1¾ cups of warm water and ½ tsp sugar, then add to 4 cups pastry flour and ½ tsp salt.

I've made bread before and this dough is nothing like what I'm used to. Flouring the counter top and wetting my hands does nothing to prevent the dough from sludging. I also tried mixing it with a wooden spoon for a few minutes, hoping it would thicken. Would dead yeast cause the stickiness, or am I just preparing it wrong?

  • This is a strange recipe, what results are you trying to achieve?
    – GdD
    Commented Oct 27, 2017 at 12:31
  • do you have a link to your recipe?
    – DForck42
    Commented Oct 27, 2017 at 21:19
  • @DForck42 I don't have a link, but the recipe is the pizza dough in Thug Kitchen Vol. 2 (p226)
    – aebabis
    Commented Oct 28, 2017 at 6:47

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No, the dead yeast (if it was dead at all) has nothing to do with the stickiness.

Your dough has 87.5% hydration, which is unusually high. It also uses, for some unclear reason, pastry flour, so it will behave like much higher hydration.

The stickiness is absolutely to be expected with this recipe. If you have never done high hydration doughs, maybe you want to start in a more gradual way, maybe something like 80% with bread or at least AP flour, and and when you are OK with this go on to work with wetter recipes. Also see What can I do to keep high hydration dough from sticking to my hands? for how to become a bit more comfortable working with sticky dough.

If you don't know how to arrive at the number: 1.75 cups of water is 420 g 4 cups of flour is 480 g 420 is 87.5% of 480, so your hydration is 87.5%

You can repeat the calculation for other bread recipes.


I make a lot of pizza dough. One thing I’ve learned is to judge the flour based on how the dough feels and looks more than the measured quantity. If it starts off sticky, you will need to add flour so you can knead the dough properly. High protein flour, like bread flour will help as well. I typically add extra gluten (1 Tablespoon per crust) to increase the protein.

As far as the yeast goes, unless you are using “active dry yeast” the yeast can be added with the dry ingredients. For active dry, proof it with warm tap water. Do not use your stove to heat the water. The yeast health will not affect the dough until after you let the dough rise. If it fails to rise, then you know you killed the yeast.

  • It's been 45 minutes and the yeast doesn't seem to be rising, but I think it might be because the mixture is so wet. How can I tell?
    – aebabis
    Commented Oct 26, 2017 at 22:55
  • My pizza dough is able to be formed into a ball and rolled on a countertop without sticking. Add flour; bread flour or all-purpose until it is tacky, like a post-it, not sticky. You can always add an extra packet of yeast, or start over using warm, not hot, water. Commented Oct 27, 2017 at 0:18
  • I used a cooking thermometer to make sure the water was between 120 and 130 degrees. Does it really matter whether I use a stove?
    – aebabis
    Commented Oct 27, 2017 at 0:47
  • No, but tap water rarely exceeds 125 degrees rendering the thermometer unnecessary. Given a choice between too cold or too hot, colder is better. Also, if you were to purchase “pizza yeast” in the future, you could skip the proofing step. Commented Oct 27, 2017 at 0:59
  • I am used to only using tepid water, 110-115, so to me heating to 130+ seem high and could well be endangering the yeast, and if it survives I would expect a very fast rise. As others have said though, yeast failure I do not think would really contribute much or anything to the stickiness, only to the rise.
    – dlb
    Commented Oct 27, 2017 at 14:24

For our pizza dough I use 1290 gram of water for 2000 gram of zero zero flour. We avoid cups as the slightest change can make the mix hard to handle. The mixer is run at low speed for ten minutes. Our air temperature is 30c and humidity 85%. 5 gram of water extra or less cannot be allowed. Maybe we are extreme but results are consistent. Dough temperature after mix is between 22 and 25c.


In my (limited) experience, doughs with high hydration (anything over 72%ish hydration and this one is solidly over that) are frequently used in no-knead recipes. The dough is too wet for a machine to handle. And instead of kneading it with your hands you let time and the water do a lot of the work, and instead of 'kneading' it you do periodic 'folding' of the dough (with wet hands to prevent sticking) in order to promote the gluten structure.

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