When I started making Greek yogurt, I lived in western Washington state and never, ever had an issue. Now that I've relocated to SoCal for work, every batch of my yogurt turns out awful (barely any effect from the starter, just runny) and I am making it the exact same way with the same materials. It's not been hot here so I can't figure out what the difference is. The climate here is definitely different than in Washington state.

Has anyone else had or heard of such a thing?


My yogurt making process is to heat the milk to 180, heat water for the cooler, bring temps of milk and water in cooler back down to about 115, then let the jars sit for 6 hours in cooler, then 6 hours in fridge and drain.

I am using the same brand of store bought starter (Fage Greek yogurt). Everything is the same except the pot I'm heating the milk in. I used to have a non-stick Calphalon pot I'd use, but now I use a stainless steel Calphalon pot. I have always done 6 hours at least in the cooler and never had an issue. This past time I let it go longer as I like to let it sit in the cooler overnight, but it still failed. I have not tried checking the temp of the water at the end of the procedure.

The tap water is incredibly harsh here (smells like chlorine even after being filtered so I buy water to drink) and leaves white residue behind on dishes after going through the dish washer. I boil my jars in this water but have never noticed the residue. Could the water be part of the problem?

  • I've removed a lot of back-and-forth clarification and working toward answers in the comments. It seems like the question is clear and complete enough now that folks can write answers if they like.
    – Cascabel
    Jan 30, 2018 at 4:13
  • I don't know if it was included in the removed comments- but the question doesn't indicated how the yogurt failed. Did it not acidify enough? Not thicken? Get grainy? Spoil? I assumed from the question that it simply failed to acidify at all. Jan 30, 2018 at 16:25
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    @Sobachatina It didn't thicken, it was pretty much like I just heated milk then let it sit there.
    – Shellie
    Jan 30, 2018 at 18:38

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Harsh tap water could definitely cause problems. It doesn't take much chlorine to kill bacteria- that's why we use it, of course. An easy experiment is would be to rinse your jars in filtered water after washing them in your chlorinated water.

Another likely culprit is the new source of your starter. From what I was able to find, Fage yogurt is imported from Greece. There is going to be a lot of variability in its freshness shipping to different states and stores in the US. The cultures in Yogurt, even refrigerated, will eventually consume the available lactose and die.

You should try using some other brand as a starter- preferably something produced closer to you so you can have more confidence that it is still viable.

You should also double check your thermometer. If your thermometer was made somehow inaccurate after the move- if your milk doesn't cool below 130F your starter will die. If your milk cools to below 100F or so you starter will be too slow.

Additional Notes

The change in pan is certainly not the problem. Stainless steel will work just fine for yogurt making.

The climate shouldn't make that big of a difference. The relative humidity won't matter as the whole thing is liquid. The local bacteria shouldn't play a major role if your equipment is clean (and you'd notice spoiled milk if competition was a problem.) Altitude wouldn't even matter very much as it would affect boiling temps but not incubation rates AFAIK.

In your process, you mention that you bring your milk to 180 and then immediately cool it. This won't affect your incubation and so I don't think it's your problem but the description, as written, is inadequate. It takes time at a certain temperature for the change in the proteins to happen. See my other answer. The short story is, at only 180F you have to hold the milk at that temperature for 30 minutes to see the intended benefit.

** EDIT **
You added the comment above that the milk didn't change and was like you had just warmed it.
This means that your bacteria were entirely inactive. Chlorine residue on the bottles might inhibit some bacteria growth but I wouldn't expect it to be able to completely stop it. Likewise, if your thermometer was off and your mix was too cool the bacteria would still do something, just slower.

Your bacteria was dead. It's possible the milk was too hot when you mixed in the starter and killed it but in my experience it's more likely that you had a bad starter.

  • Thank you so much for responding @Sobachatina. My kefir has been doing fine in the same jars so it never even entered my mind that there would be a problem. I will definitely be rinsing my jars in the store bought water. I am willing to try another brand of starter for sure. Local and organic is preferable, I had just gone with what I always had. The thermometer is brand new, I didn't move with it so maybe it's malfunctioning? I've always heated to 180 then started cooling and I've never had an issue. I didn't realize, thanks for letting me know. I'll making some adjustments the next time!
    – Shellie
    Jan 30, 2018 at 18:51
  • @Shellie- It might not be any of those things- those are just the variables I would test. As for holding at 180 longer. The heating makes more of the water soluble protein denature so it improves the texture of your yogurt. You wouldn't have trouble without it but you may notice an improvement with it. Jan 30, 2018 at 20:03
  • Ok wonderful thank you! I'll try holding it at that temp for longer, much appreciated. Also, I understand these things are variables to test, but boy am I excited to clear the issue up! Thank you for your input!
    – Shellie
    Jan 30, 2018 at 22:33
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    @Shellie have you tried a starter from a lab? I use Genesis labs starter, which gives an authentic Balkan yogurt. With good temperature control, you can re-inoculate dozens of times from a single sachet. Don't know if it is available in the USA, but other brands will be available, or other styles of yogurt (e.g. bifidus) if you prefer them.
    – rumtscho
    Feb 1, 2018 at 21:57

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