I've been having amateur pastry classes and one of the things we've done is Italian meringue. However, I found the result to be overly sweet.

I am much more familiar with French and Swiss meringues, for which I've had good results with various reduced sugar:egg white ratios. Egg whites can be whipped with no sugar at all, so it should come as no surprise that French meringue can be made with very low ratios. Most Swiss meringue recipes I see hover around 2:1, but I've made 1:1 meringues that still had that smooth, silky texture.

The recipe for Italian meringue we used had a 2:1:0.8 ratio of sugar:egg white:water. I understand that Italian is the most stable of all meringues, but how can I tweak these ratios to obtain a meringue that is less sweet but still stable? Should I drop the sugar and water proportionally when cooking the syrup? Should I just cut back on the sugar?

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Generally speaking, I think experimentation is the way to go. There are a lot of recipes for Italian meringue (and Italian meringue frostings) you can try to see what effect the different sugar content has. Reducing the sugar can definitely reduce the stability, but stability is a somewhat subjective term. That's why I recommend experimentation. It's hard to say what would be an acceptable reduction for your personal preference/needs.

That said, the amount of water you use to initially make the syrup should make no real difference. By the time you add it to the egg whites, the sugar's at softball stage, which means that all the water you added is gone. The vapor you still see is actually evaporating from within the sugar itself. So don't measure the water. You just need to pay attention to the amount of sugar and egg whites, same as with another meringue. The only complicating factor here is the heat from the sugar syrup. If you reduce the amount of the sugar syrup, you will reduce the overall temperature your egg whites get heated to, and that could reduce the stability.

I have not experimented extensively with pure meringues, but rather with meringue-based buttercreams, and that is a different situation. However, I have managed to make a successful meringue base using sugar syrup heated up to hardball stage (it was an accident, but it worked.) If you did make less sugar syrup but heated it to a higher temperature, that might help maintain stability, but you could risk some sugar crystals, depending on how quickly the syrup tries to cool as you pour it into your mixer. You could also risk some scrambled eggs. I doubt that, but it could happen.

Another option would be to make the same amount of a caramel syrup. Cook your sugar until it's taken on a nice deep caramel color, remove from the heat, and avoid the giant cloud of steam as you pour in some new water. Then cook that less-sweet caramel syrup until it's softball stage and proceed as usual. Obviously, that will impart a caramel flavor and color. It's up to you whether that's a bad thing. On the plus-side, that caramel syrup is great for coffee. And ice cream. Seriously, you should do that even if you don't want to make a meringue with it.

  • Could you not provide the ratio you recommend of concentrated caramel syrup to additional water to egg white?
    – Noir
    Commented Feb 25, 2020 at 19:13
  • To the first - I wouldn't recommend pouring the hot, concentrated caramel directly in to the egg whites, even with extra water. That caramel syrup is over 300 - maybe as high as 380, which would be extremely dangerous to pour into a running mixer and scramble the eggs. That's why I recommend adding water and reheating to 238. As for the second - That's a great question, and probably deserves its own post. But if you get honey/syrup to 238, it should work fine. Just beware it will want to boil over unless you add a little corn syrup. It will also taste sweeter than the same amount of sugar.
    – kitukwfyer
    Commented Feb 25, 2020 at 19:26

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