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I maintain a sourdough starter at 100% hydration (in other words, it contains equal masses of flour and water). Today I was documenting a recipe for pizza dough that includes some starter, and I wanted to include the baker's percentages. As I was doing so it occurred to me to wonder,

What constitutes the flour? In other words, what mass should I use as the denominator when calculating all of my percentages? Should I use only the total mass of all of the (dry) flours, or should I also account for the flour contained in the starter?

As an example, if a recipe's ingredients called for 500 g of all-purpose flour and 100 g of starter, should I consider the total mass of flour to be 500 g or 500 g plus one half of 100 g, which is to say 550 g?

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I checked several cookbooks, including the 2nd edition of Jeffrey Hamelman's Bread: A Baker's Book of Techniques and Recipes. Nowhere did I find this question addressed specifically, but I did observe a pretty consistent trend: the authors (including Hamelman) did not include the flour contained by the starter when calculating baker's percentages.

To be doubly sure, I phoned King Arthur Baking's ever-helpful Baker's Hotline. The answer their representative gave me is that one is free to take either approach. I pointed out that this freedom must easily lead to ambiguity when bakers are communicating, to which he replied that when that is a concern, he'd suggest explicitly stating which approach one was using. He also confirmed my recently formed sense that of the two approaches, perhaps the more typical is the one that Hamelman uses in Bread: ignore the starter's flour in your calculations.

Afterward I found a discussion of precisely my question within King Arthur's page about baker's percentages under its heading "Baker's Percent and Preferments." In their terminology, when one performs the "slightly more complicated" calculation (counting the starter's flour as part of the total four), the result is the "overall baker's percent."

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The rule I follow is that it's calculated by the flour that goes into the recipe as such. Anything contained in a preferment is not counted.

This aligns nicely with the purposes of using baker's percentages.

  • it's a vehicle for easily remembering and executing recipes in a fast paced environment with complex social interactions. When you follow a recipe in a bakery (or tell your nervous apprentice to do so), you don't want to be calculating percentages in your head. Instead, you need a formula which tells you how much of each ingredient to grab - including how much of the preferment.
  • it's a way for "standardizing" recipes. An experienced baker can make a very good guess at a dough's properties from looking at the formula. And here, the ratio of other stuff to dry flour is very predictive. Even the ratio of preferment to dry flour is informative! If you were to use total flour, you'd lose that purpose of the formula.

I also checked my books and found that Reinhart's "Bread baker's apprentice" does discuss this exact question. He states that both approaches are valid, and both have advantages and disadvantages. And then he goes on to recommend using dry flour as 100% for anything which has an overnight-or-longer preferment (which I suppose is the same as your classification of "indirect dough"). His recommendation is to use the "dry plus preferment flour" approach for breads which are made with an ad-hoc sponge that's only fermented for around an hour or so, and for enriched breads like panettone (and notes that the two categories will frequently overlap). This aligns with my argumentation above - first, whatever flour you're measuring out at the moment you start doing this exact recipe (no matter whether you'll divide it for a sponge or not) is the amount you want to have written down. Also, flour which has only sat for an hour in a sponge behaves more like dry flour in its readiness to absorb even more water, to form new gluten bonds etc., than the already-bound flour in an overnight preferment, so in these breads, it has more influence on the prediction.

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  • "the ratio of other stuff to dry flour is very predictive" -- So are you saying a hypothetical recipe of 500g flour, 250g water and 500g 1:1 preferment behaves more like a 50% direct hydration dough (500g flour & 250g water) versus a 67% hydration dough (750g flour and 500g water)? Or are you just saying that someone who knows how a 1:0.5:1 ratio of flour/water/1:1 preferment behaves also knows how a 2:1:2 flour/water/1:1 preferment behaves? (And wouldn't necessarily be able to say how a 1:2 or a 3:2 preferment might affect things.)
    – R.M.
    Commented Jul 28 at 17:37
  • @R.M. the second one. The flour in the preferment doesn't behave like freshly mixed up flour, so if you have a 100-50-50 flour-water-preferment, that would behave roughly similarly to 100-50-50 flour-water-another preferment, but not similar to 150-75 flour-water (if we assume a 25-25 preferment).
    – rumtscho
    Commented Jul 29 at 12:03

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