I’ve been making sourdough bread regularly for over a year now. But since about half a year ago, the bread has consistently come out badly because the gluten doesn’t seem to develop properly:

  • the dough doesn’t hold its shape: immediately after taking the dough from the proofing basket it flattens out considerably and doesn’t rise evenly in the oven (mostly in the middle)
  • the resulting bread is way too dense (in some places it’s almost gelatinous rather than doughy)
  • all the gas has concentrated into big bubbles.

cut sourdough loaf

I’m following (more or less) the recipe for the Overnight Country Blonde from Ken Forkish’s Flour Water Salt Yeast, performing 4–5 folds. My modifications are as follows:

  • I’ve reduced the water by around 40 ml because I’ve found the dough to become too hydrated otherwise.1
  • I store my starter in the fridge and take it out to feed around 12h before starting the dough. This means that I do only one feed, rather than Ken’s two (skipping step 2 from p137).1
  • Bulk fermentation happens in the fridge because when I do it at room temperature, it gets ruined (see below).
  • I proof for around ½h rather than several hours. I used to proof for longer but the dough overproofed every single time. The finger test indicates that my proofing time is sufficient.

A word on fermentation and proofing: if I perform bulk fermentation or proofing at room temperature for the indicated time in the recipe, I get a hopelessly over-fermented … “jelly foam” rather than a dough. The result is completely unworkable, sticks to everything (even when dusted way too liberally with flour), and can’t be shaped: it either fails to develop a skin when pulling the dough together, or it develops a skin that breaks immediately, repeatedly, and the sticky dough almost “pours out” (I’ve thrown away several batches).

As far as I can tell my sourdough starter is extremely active and produces strong fermentation with lots of gas. By contrast, it seems that no matter how diligently I perform the folds, the gluten structure is too weak to make a fluffy dough which holds its shape. I also tend to get a dough that’s too elastic to perform proper folds: I used to get a dough consistency somewhat more like wet clay, which somehow simply felt “right” and had just the right elasticity to pull out and fold over. Nowadays the dough has lost all its clay-like consistency and, as indicated above, it feels more like a foamy jelly.

Here’s the problem: with the exact same procedure I used to be able to produce much better loaves, some of which were darn near perfect (though I didn’t always get there). Now, without having changed anything in my procedure, the result is consistently terrible. I have no such issue baking other, yeast-based breads.

What could be responsible the sudden change, and the weak gluten development?

1 I’ve also tried adhering strictly to the recipe in this step. It didn’t change the outcome.

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    @aris Certainly not: I wouldn't get these big holes on the top (and it's inompatible with my observation of the dough as foamy). Anyway, I forgot to post a postmortem but I managed to fix the issue by using a different schedule with much shorter bulk fermentation and longer proof, and more careful folds (previously I almost jerked the dough instead). The result is consistently great bread with good rise and crumb. Commented Aug 25, 2019 at 7:57
  • Glad you worked it out. This crumb type is also common for underfermented bread though. It's sometimes called "fool's crumb." You can see the threads on Fresh Loaf.
    – user50726
    Commented Aug 25, 2019 at 16:43

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You have two pieces of evidence that your starter has changed - the bread itself, and the "jelly foam" that happens during room-temperature proofing.

I suspect your starter has been contaminated with some other micro-organism.

You should toss your starter, clean your refrigerator carefully, and get a new culture.

  • Does the starter affect the gluten? I hadn’t considered that. However, I did actually start a new culture some time ago since the old one did indeed get contaminated. Same result. Commented Sep 1, 2018 at 15:36
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    The problem is not just the stiffness of the gluten - those huge holes at the top of the loaf indicate an issue with the fermentation.
    – John Feltz
    Commented Sep 1, 2018 at 16:43
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    Interesting. How so? From what I know and have read, the big bubbles are simply due to normal fermentation during proofing, and the gas accumulates in a few big bubbles rather than being spread out in smaller ones, precisely because the gluten structure is too weak to maintain the smaller bubble structure. Commented Sep 2, 2018 at 9:55
  • Several extremely lively cultures later I’m somewhat confident that it’s not the (specific) culture: I continue to have the same problem. I do however observe that the fermentation engendered by my cultures tends to be a lot more active than seems normal. Performing bulk fermentation in the fridge makes the dough a lot more workable (but obviously prevents rise almost completely). Without the fridge, I consistently observe that an initially well-developed gluten structure seems to “decay” overnight: window test works in the evening and fails in the morning. Commented Nov 13, 2018 at 11:14

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